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Lancashire Challenge Trophy

PostPosted: Wed Dec 06, 2017 1:20 am
by mike1
Potential very local derby on the cards? Charnock Richard also through to semis after 3-1 win at Padiham. Clitheroe in last four as well 4-0 v Radcliffe Borough.

Re: Lancashire Challenge Trophy

PostPosted: Wed Dec 06, 2017 12:23 pm
by Prodigal son
Good to see Roscoe get a full game, though he looked very uncomfortable up front, much better in second half when back in midfield. Dale got good game time plus Anson, thought Waqas did very well, Brig certainly made us work for the win and it would have been more difficult if their 9 had not made that dreadful challenge on Urwin which rightly got him the straight red. Hughes looks better with every game as obviously his fitness and sharpness improve, on now to the Semi Final at Leyland. COYM

Re: Lancashire Challenge Trophy

PostPosted: Wed Dec 06, 2017 2:09 pm
by Paul Brennan
Agree with most of your points PS especially on Hughes -must start every game if fit. No one apart from Anson gave any indication they should get in the usual 11 -both Chally and Blakes have nothing to fear if they keep producing (and probably if they don't); Roscoe up front does not work and Black is OK.
Brig worked hard, were "well organised" and perhaps unlucky not to get to penalties but overall we were better if not by much.

Re: Lancashire Challenge Trophy

PostPosted: Wed Dec 06, 2017 2:25 pm
by Tempie
Paul Brennan wrote:Agree with most of your points PS especially on Hughes -must start every game if fit. No one apart from Anson gave any indication they should get in the usual 11 -both Chally and Blakes have nothing to fear if they keep producing (and probably if they don't); Roscoe up front does not work and Black is OK.
Brig worked hard, were "well organised" and perhaps unlucky not to get to penalties but overall we were better if not by much.


Agree with most of that- beesley, Jarvis, charnock, showed absolutely nothing to suggest they should be at the club taking a spot on the bench that could be occupied by younger developing players. Harsh but fair IMO. Let’s look forwards not backward.

You can add black and roscoe to that list too because we don’t need jake, josh o Keefe, dale, roscoe, and black who are all essentially the same type of players.

I thought we made brig look good, especially considering they only had 10 men. Urwin made the better saves, can’t remember Rigby having a save to make really.


Time to focus on some of the younger players not those that have had their day.

Re: Lancashire Challenge Trophy

PostPosted: Wed Dec 06, 2017 4:07 pm
by andrewa
Tempie wrote:
Paul Brennan wrote:Agree with most of your points PS especially on Hughes -must start every game if fit. No one apart from Anson gave any indication they should get in the usual 11 -both Chally and Blakes have nothing to fear if they keep producing (and probably if they don't); Roscoe up front does not work and Black is OK.
Brig worked hard, were "well organised" and perhaps unlucky not to get to penalties but overall we were better if not by much.


Agree with most of that- beesley, Jarvis, charnock, showed absolutely nothing to suggest they should be at the club taking a spot on the bench that could be occupied by younger developing players. Harsh but fair IMO. Let’s look forwards not backward.

You can add black and roscoe to that list too because we don’t need jake, josh o Keefe, dale, roscoe, and black who are all essentially the same type of players.

I thought we made brig look good, especially considering they only had 10 men. Urwin made the better saves, can’t remember Rigby having a save to make really.




Time to focus on some of the younger players not those that have had their day.


Hear Hear! What is the point of having Jordan Darr warming the bench, surely he should be starting games like that, in the event he didn't even get 10 minutes,. What sort of a signal does that send out to younger players?

Re: Lancashire Challenge Trophy

PostPosted: Wed Dec 06, 2017 4:10 pm
by chewy380
Just like the Colne game I saw the team & decided not to go. If the U21s aren't playing in this comp they won't be playing at all.

Re: Lancashire Challenge Trophy

PostPosted: Wed Dec 06, 2017 5:22 pm
by Dec53
match report on lancashire post web site .

Re: Lancashire Challenge Trophy

PostPosted: Wed Dec 06, 2017 6:25 pm
by Ian Livesey
Draw live on Lancashire FA's Facebook page tomorrow (Thursday) at 5pm

Re: Lancashire Challenge Trophy

PostPosted: Thu Dec 07, 2017 6:10 pm
by mike1
Ian Livesey wrote:Draw live on Lancashire FA's Facebook page tomorrow (Thursday) at 5pm


Chorley v Lancaster City, 25th February County Ground. Clitheroe v Charnock Richard 18th February.

Re: Lancashire Challenge Trophy

PostPosted: Thu Dec 07, 2017 8:43 pm
by JP
28th February according to facebook?

Re: Lancashire Challenge Trophy

PostPosted: Thu Dec 07, 2017 10:35 pm
by Ed
chewy380 wrote:Just like the Colne game I saw the team & decided not to go. If the U21s aren't playing in this comp they won't be playing at all.

Just watching young Arsenal side thrashing European opponents 6-0 (so far). Good enough/old enough etc.

Chorley U21s
First team next season likely ... at FC United, perhaps?

Re: Lancashire Challenge Trophy

PostPosted: Fri Dec 08, 2017 11:34 am
by andrewa
Ed wrote:
chewy380 wrote:Just like the Colne game I saw the team & decided not to go. If the U21s aren't playing in this comp they won't be playing at all.

Just watching young Arsenal side thrashing European opponents 6-0 (so far). Good enough/old enough etc.

Chorley U21s
First team next season likely ... at FC United, perhaps?


Didn't want to appear too negative, hence no post before, but those sre my thoughts exactly Ed. There doesn't seem to be any commitment to youth and we've let a really good coach go, who was unearthing all sorts of talent, who have been given no chance in the first team. The Lancashire Trophy could have been the perfect competition to give the young players a run out. Everton the other night put out what was virtually a youth team, all this stuff about "experiencing mans football" is starting to look like a smokescreen where the real fact is, younger players are not required, go and play somewhere else.
Just watch the FCUM youth start to fly now they have a decent coach.

Re: Lancashire Challenge Trophy

PostPosted: Fri Dec 08, 2017 12:18 pm
by Prodigal son
Andrew, I don't think it is a case of "letting a good coach go", Dave Chadwick is FC Utd through and through, former captain etc, he himself tweeted he was "going home", so he clearly wanted to go there. I do agree, however, that we must keep hold of the young talent and get them into the squad, this too young business really doesn't hold water, Dale Whitham was 17 when GF brought him to Chorley and he played from day one, if they are good enough they are old enough. COYM

Re: Lancashire Challenge Trophy

PostPosted: Fri Dec 08, 2017 4:18 pm
by Tempie
This has all been said before- the truth is it’s complete waste of time whilst Matt Jansen is in charge. You can have as many fans forums as you want, where everyone will be lied too, he invite a few of the development squad to training in an atempt to pacify people but the cold hard facts are he doesn’t trust young players. He’d rather play adam roscoe upfront than start darr. Actions speak louder than words.

Re: Lancashire Challenge Trophy

PostPosted: Fri Dec 08, 2017 4:56 pm
by andrewa
The thing is though Tempie, if he doesn't trust youth then why do we have a youth development system?
Why not spend the money elsewhere. Why do the club not come out and admit the youth system is not working? Surely it only exists a) to develop players for the first team and b) to benefit the club economy and c) to fulfil a community commitment. At the moment as the saying goes, they are "neither fishing nor mending nets".

Re: Lancashire Challenge Trophy

PostPosted: Fri Dec 08, 2017 6:10 pm
by Tempie
I agree entirely Andrew, there are 101 things around the ground that the money could be spent on. But all I can think is it a necessity for the grander scheme. Such as does it tick boxes in terms of being a community club and therefore beneficial to the council?

Other than that I’ve no idea but let’s face facts Louis Myers was the best player in that development squad by a mile, he went on loan twice, scored goals and still didn’t get a chance! So the current crop, be it the ones out on loan or the ones still here have no hope!!

Look at the 1st team defence now, we’ve played 5 at the back for 18months which I’ve hated! I said at the time that we only adopted that formation because we had Leather ( best defender), Jordan (star signing) and Teague (club captain) had to play. Funnily enough after 18 months we decided to go back to 4 at the back starting at Stockport away! One of the most difficult away games of the season. Is it just me that thinks it’s funny that it coincides with Jordan having a long term injury and he doesn’t want to play Adam Anson?! Because he’s under 25 and hasn’t had enough football league appearances. Right decision, wrong reasons and done at the wrong time IMO.

Being realistic the vast majority of the development squad aren’t good enough but there are some that are more than capable of making an impact off the bench.

Re: Lancashire Challenge Trophy

PostPosted: Fri Dec 08, 2017 9:33 pm
by Ian Livesey
Lets face it, the U21s were/are never good enough I don't think for this league. Watching the U21's in the past they're a good technical bunch of players, a bit like Haughton, but I wouldn't want to put them in the 1st team starting X1 for a game against, Alfreton say (who are a big robust side this season).

The player turnover in this league are ex-U21/23 players who have played higher up in the pyramid who drop down to start again at clubs like ours.

Re: Lancashire Challenge Trophy

PostPosted: Sun Dec 17, 2017 6:57 pm
by Ed
Lancaster impressed in 2nd half v Stockport yesterday in Trophy. Might need strong side out to reach final.

Re: Lancashire Challenge Trophy

PostPosted: Sun Dec 17, 2017 9:07 pm
by andrewa
Did we not have a "strong side" out in previous rounds where we scraped through? To me the side is underperforming and consistently making teams from lower leagues and the lower reaches of National North look like world beaters. I understand we are not bankrolled like some teams in Nat North, and surely progression in the Challenge Trophy was important financially. The Lancs Trophy has been a waste of time and an opportunity to involve fresh blood has been missed, it makes no money for the club and it is not used to try out players, so what is the point?

Re: Lancashire Challenge Trophy

PostPosted: Sun Dec 17, 2017 9:32 pm
by mike1
andrewa wrote:Did we not have a "strong side" out in previous rounds where we scraped through? To me the side is underperforming and consistently making teams from lower leagues and the lower reaches of National North look like world beaters. I understand we are not bankrolled like some teams in Nat North, and surely progression in the Challenge Trophy was important financially. The Lancs Trophy has been a waste of time and an opportunity to involve fresh blood has been missed, it makes no money for the club and it is not used to try out players, so what is the point?


For what it's worth, I think we had anything but a 'strong side' out at Bamber Bridge, which was a huge risk against a decent team and as you say we scraped through. Numerous regulars including most of the defence were missing. But there are more pressing issues at the moment than the LCT. On yesterday's evidence, if we don't start with a strong ball-winning midfielder at Salford next Saturday we can expect to be thoroughly Paxo-ed in time for Christmas. It was obvious early on yesterday that Marine were running through midfield for fun yet Dale was not introduced until we were already struggling with ten men and had been for more than ten minutes. The heroics of the volunteers in getting the pitch playable deserved a much better performance than what was delivered. Perhaps we scored too early and anticipated a cakewalk?

Re: Lancashire Challenge Trophy

PostPosted: Sun Dec 17, 2017 9:52 pm
by andrewa
I agree about the volunteers Mike, they deserved better as you say.
The LCT is a distraction and a smokescreen and serves no purpose in terms of youth development, trialing new players or making money.
Let's hope we have lulled Salford into complacency, we are on our game and give them a good hiding.